Judd Apatow and Pete Holmes went on SiriusXM’s Jim & Sam to promote the third season of their HBO series Crashing, which premieres on January 20, and they had something to say about Louis C.K.’s recently leaked set.
The interview started with the guests and hosts—Jim Norton and Sam Roberts—talking about Artie Lange’s drug issues and how it affected the Crashing shoot. Holmes smiles slightly as he describes the “nose continuity” issues while shooting because of Lange’s recent drug-related facial collapse. They note in the interview despite what’s happening in his life right now, he is always extremely professional on set.
Quickly, the interview shifted to talking about C.K.’s controversial set at Governors’ Comedy Club last month. At the time of the leak, Apatow had blasted several anti-C.K. tweets about the set saying, “This hacky, unfunny, shallow routine is just a symptom of how people are afraid to feel empathy,” and compared it to a speech by Emma Gonzalez at the March for Our Lives rally, writing, “Is this the speech Louis CK didn’t find interesting? Seems much stronger than his new Asian people bit.”
This hacky, unfunny, shallow routine is just a symptom of how people are afraid to feel empathy. It’s much easier to laugh at our most vulnerable than to look at their pain directly & show them love and concern. Louis CK is all fear and bitterness now. He can’t look inward. https://t.co/aQVG0rk87y
— Judd Apatow (@JuddApatow) December 31, 2018
Is this the speech Louis CK didn’t find interesting? Seems much stronger than his new Asian people bit. Can you imagine watching this and writing the jokes he wrote?
— Judd Apatow (@JuddApatow) January 1, 2019
He elaborated in the interview, saying, “While we all want Louis to talk about what he is going through in a way that is inward searching… when they return and they don’t say a word about it, that’s weird; that’s what we were hoping you would do…. He’s not doing that at all. He’s just punching down. At kids who got shot at or whose friends died, what’s really your angle here?”
“You have to show us change,” Holmes chimed in. “There are a lot of scumbags out there that could be redeemed. I think you lose that pass [to say whatever you want] if you do atrocious things. The bit is evidence that he isn’t taking the time to reflect. Isn’t that heartbreaking?”
Apatow went on to say, “I think he should perform. I have no doubt in the next year-and-a-half he’ll be at Madison Square Garden doing three shows in a row. So this whole Louis’s struggling thing, he will make $80 million on the next tour. Okay? This all lands with him triumphant in some way. Maybe not with everybody, but that’s where it lands.” He continued, “But in the meantime when you’re somebody that’s hurt people, it’s weird to think your subjects should be people who are hurting. Trans people commit suicide. They get murdered at a crazy rate, so it’s not really the moment to go, I’m put out by the fact that you want to be called by a certain name.”
You can watch the full interview below.